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Raw Milk Linked to Wisconsin Illnesses? Can you say Conspiracy?

I can hear the gnashing of teeth and the wails of injustice for the “Teat Party” (combination of hippies and the tea party) activist once they see the article in the Racine, Wisconsin Journal Times possibly linking raw milk consumption to school kids becoming ill. According to the Journal Times:

raw 3.jpgAt least 16 people have been sickened by an outbreak of foodborne illness, which started at North Cape Elementary School.

“We are in the process of doing an investigation,” said Cheryl Mazmanian, director and health officer for the Western Racine County Health Department. That is being done in conjunction with the state hygiene laboratory and the Department of Agriculture, Trade, and Consumer Protection.

The incident apparently began about June 3 when a number of foods were served at a celebration for fourth-graders. Symptoms – diarrhea and similar gastrointestinal problems – were first reported about June 6, she said.

“Raw milk was served. We have not pinpointed it as that,” Mazmanian said.

It is a usual item to be served, and it is a higher-risk food, but tests have not defined the milk as the source of bacteria nor ruled out other foods, she said.

I expect to hear that it is part of a FDA sponsored conspiracy against expanding raw milk sales in Wisconsin.  Raw milk is not “magic.”  It has real risks – See Real Raw Milk Facts.

  • Doc Mudd

    A 4th grade celebration that will be remembered!
    There are any number of intriguing excuses…
    …maybe the kids were all lactose intolerant
    …coulda been the sushi, or the oysters
    …we gave them unpasteurized milk because it’s illegal to give them Budweiser
    …some of them were getting a little obese, anway. They are noticably thinner this week
    …think of it as a science lesson…in gastroenteritis. A couple of them were overachievers!
    …nothing is free in this world – even “magic milk” comes at a price. Kids need to learn this
    …what doesn’t kill ’em makes the ungrateful little waifs stronger – they’ll thank us someday
    …and, of course FDA conspiring with Scotland Yard and Racine Meter Maids

  • dyouwyouk

    I’m sure that it will be a “4th grade celebration that will be remembered!” BUT, let’s be sure we know the facts before we get to hopping all over this thing. Please?

  • Sophie

    How can you say “Raw Milk Linked” when Cheryl Mazmanian, the director and health officer said, “We have not pinpointed it as that.” Forget conspiracies when sensationalism will get you even further.
    Move along…nothing to see here.

  • Minkpuppy

    Idiots. We’re living in a country of idiots if this sort of thing is allowed to happen at a school-sanctioned event.
    Were the parents even told their children would be served raw milk at this event so they could make an informed choice of whether or not to let their child participate?

  • Giselle

    I sure hope they got releases from all of the parents to serve their children raw milk. As someone who works in a fluid milk plant and is a mom this is criminal to me. I would no more let my children drink raw milk than I would let them eat raw hamburger.

  • dangermaus

    Sure, fan those flames (while claiming to be the reasonable one). You’ll probably wind up scaring the school district into banning all food at school parties.

  • Sophie, your overreaction to “Raw Milk Linked to Wisconsin Illnesses?” – note question mark – proves my point that I was making – thanks.

  • How is it possible to think that I have such power over a school district’s decision what to allow being served at the school?
    Clearly, Racine did not pay any attention to:
    Prospect Elementary School/ Robeson Schools Unpasteurized Butter Made From Raw Milk 2001Unpasteurized butter was the probable cause of an outbreak of E. coli O157:H7 that began at the Prospect Elementary School. A teacher made butter from unpasteurized milk and served it during a holiday party at the school. Children spread the E. coli O157:H7 to family members and to day care programs and schools. Shiga toxin, but no E. coli O157, was detected in manure from the butter maker’s milking cows.
    Over at Complete Patient I am being blamed for the election of Scott Walker because I was one voice in asking the prior democratic governor to veto the last version on a raw milk bill.

  • Dog Doctor

    Bill et al, you may have more information than is present in the new article. The one up side from the description so far, it suggests something other than E. coli O157:H7 – no bloody diarrhea being discussed. If it is salmonella, it may be other food items and since the article infers secondary cases that would support salmonella although other pathogens can have secondary cases. It will be interesting to see what the final report says.
    It may be time to step back and discuss food safety in general. Let’s take magic off the table since no known food is totally safe from man’s stupidity, malice, or ignorance.
    I have been on too many outbreak investigations from small to large facilities to think there is any “magical” combination. The local farmer who irrigates his cabbage patch with water from a pond where his cows drink and poop, it was a Norman Rockwell setting of the traditional small farm but the cabbage were linked to a local E. coli outbreak twice in successive years. On the large farm scale, I have been to processing facilities that were pulling untreated water from the river that ran next to the shed and resulted in nationwide cases of salmonella. Knowing your farmer is great but you need to ask him or her “what they know about safe food production? The extension services or what is left of them provide excellent information to the small scale farmer about safe food production. Actually FDA has developed Good Agriculture Practices (GAPs) which is scalable and doesn’t favor big farms which might be useful and provides information on how people can compost manure to make it safe for application.
    As far as Scott Walker goes, the people of Wisconsin voted him in and they can vote him out since you live in Seattle I don’t see the connection but folks on David’s page believe in a lot of things like magic, 2nd amendment remedies, declaration of war against the government, intelligent and selective pathogens, pixie dust, men in black, FEMA re education camps, and the etc.

  • Sophie

    Bill, you call it overreaction. I call it being honest about the facts. Seriously, man…

    Giselle, I think they should also get releases for everything they give to children to eat. Did you know that schools give children sugary, artificially flavored strawberry and chocolate milks? And gummy bears? And things made with GMO products? All of it should require parental sign-off.

  • dangermaus

    It’s possible because publicizing this story (the story being an as-yet unwarranted linking of raw milk to a situation where many students got sick) is going to whip people into a frenzy, demanding radical action, whether it’s actually needed or not (see Giselle’s “criminal” statement)… The school board has another reason to be paranoid about potential source of liability, parents have another vague thing to have to worry about, etc.
    How would/could they react to that? Add raw milk to an ever-growing list of foods you can’t physically take into a school that will inevitably become unmanageable? Would that even really protect them from the likes of you*?
    And before anyone says this is a reason that raw milk should never be sold for human consumption legally, that same argument could be used to say peanuts should be banned because someone might sneak a PayDay bar into a classroom and it could cause an anaphylactic-type reaction in some fraction of a percentage of highly-allergic students. It’s a sad fact of life, but sometimes people get sick from food. Complicating matters is the fact that if a person’s immune system ISN’T exposed to at least some ambient, marginally-nasty bugs, it doesn’t work properly.
    *by “likes of you” I mean a injury lawyer who seems to think (from what I’ve read) that any time anyone ever comes down with a food-borne illness there’s someone financially liable for negligence?

  • Doc Mudd

    dangermaus, I’m flattered you’re picking up and running with my excuse # 7, “what doesn’t kill ’em…”
    But are you also invoking the ultimate excuse (one I mistakenly left off the list)…you know:
    …hey, anyone can encounter a little bad luck. Can’t punish anyone for bad luck, right?
    Yeah, stuff happens. Especially when we plan poorly, leave ourselves vulnerable and take foolish chances. Stuff sure happens then, alright. Makes life a real adventure!

  • dangermaus

    No flattery was intended. Not to be personal, but I don’t think I’ve ever read anything that you’ve posted that leads me to thing you might have anything interesting to say.

  • Peanuts are not the same as raw milk, nice straw-man you pulled out there.
    Here is what raw milk is like, letting your child play with a revolver with one bullet in it. Raw milk has no added benefit over pasteurized milk. You want to try and kill yourself, go for it drink your raw milk, but stop trying to kill your kids, they don’t have choice.

    You want to talk about choice and freedom? When someone has Tuberculosis and is not compliant with taking their medicine they can legally be quarantined and forced to take their medicine in most states. Why are there laws forbidding me to talk on the cell phone when driving? Why can’t I enjoy driving a high performance vehicle well above the speed limit? Sure innocent people may die, but innocence be damned, my choice is more important than the safety, economic benefits to society, and the social benefits to society. Just like raw milk, I want to be selfish, who cares if innocent kids that have no choice die. Who cares that people lie and tout benefits that raw milk doesn’t have which is misleading people to drink it and then putting those people at risk. Who cares that people who could have avoided medical care costs by not drinking raw milk are not therefore increasing costs. Who cares if local health departments are investigating foodborne illnesses a vector that shouldn’t we shouldn’t even need to consider, wasting taxpayer money.

    We have many policies and laws that “infringe” or seem to “take away” an individuals “right”. The majority of these actions or laws have been done for the greater societal good. Another example would be helmet laws for motorcycles and bicycles. It does benefit the individual by protecting them from head injury that is just an added benefit to the individual. What is benefiting society is the reduction in health care costs by decreasing head injuries and also keeping people off permanent disability.

    I’m sorry, but if you are making such a big deal of getting and drinking your raw milk IMHO your priorities are odd. Perhaps channeling that anger at large corporations taking advantage of large subsidies being handed out by our elected officials or at the elected officials themselves or at at the huge tax breaks these corporations receive would be more productive? How about the growing wage gap between the working class/middle class, wealthy/upper class, and poor? This growing issue forces more people into buying the cheapest products and food they can in order to make ends meet? If you want people to start buying local, to stop buying processed food this growing problem needs to be addressed also

  • Bill Anderson

    I’m going to take a shot in the dark here and suggest that IF (big IF!) this outbreak is tied to raw milk, it is probably campylobacter, and it is probably because the milk has a pseudomonas problem:
    This again, reinforces the need to legalize and regulate raw milk. Clearly, the current blanket prohibition is not preventing outbreaks… if anything it is contributing to them. With the proper controls and incentives in place for farmers to produce a superior quality clean raw milk, and with laboratory test results published so that the public can see the farm’s bacteria counts, raw milk production can be made very safe. The problem is that these incentives and controls do not exist currently, because it is an unregulated black market with strong disincentives for producers to publish their lab test results.
    And yes, I still maintain that Jim Doyle’s extremely unpopular veto of the raw milk bill last year was in large part responsible for the election of Scott Walker. There are very few people here in America’s Dairyland who have not consumed raw milk at some point in their life, regardless of political party.

  • I gotta tell ya – If I was responsible for Scott Walker – I feel like shit.

  • California

    Since the raw milk bill in WI was vetoed, where did the school purchase the milk? There is a big difference between buying gummy bears versus raw milk – it is surprising a school would distribute an illegal product that medical and public health organizations around the world unanimously recommend against, especially for children.
    Retail raw milk is legal in California, but carries a strong warning (albeit, in a very tiny font). It would be similarly surprising if a school in California served a food like raw milk that has a government warning label due to risk of pathogen exposure.

  • dangermaus

    I think Scott Walker getting nominated and elected was more about political polarization in general than raw milk, although the raw milk veto certainly didn’t help. Federal issues, like the Democrats choosing Nancy Pelosi to be Speaker of the House despite the fact that she is so offensive to so many, had more to do with it.
    Regulation that seems to be to “protect us from ourselves” genuinely scares people, and disregarding those fears makes them do things like elect a stooge who uses Wisconsin Public Schools teachers (arguably the best in the nation) as stepping stone in a larger fight against unions elsewhere – like teachers in New York, or the wildly unpopular carpenters’ and electricians’ unions* in Chicago that are smugly destroying the viability of the McCormick Convention Center.
    *Notice I said the unions, not the union members. The workers might be the biggest victims of union leadership that often seems disingenuous, corrupt and short-sighted.

  • Bill Anderson

    Let me preface this by saying that I’m not a Democrat, but I do firmly identify with the left, with environmentalism, and with organized labor.
    When Doyle vetoed the raw milk bill last year, the Democrats missed a big opportunity to make a populist stance and instead came off looking like stooges of big business and big government. I have posted these links before, but I will post them again. Keep in mind, the author of these editorials is NOT a consumer or advocate of raw milk. This is from the Wisconsin State Journal, the official newspaper of record for the state of Wisconsin:
    Yes, Bill, this was probably the biggest reason that Scott Walker was elected. Doyle should have signed the raw milk bill.
    And of course, as we can see, vetoing the legislation has not stopped outbreaks from happening. The best way to prevent outbreaks is to legalize and regulate… that is if your agenda is actually to prevent outbreaks? If you are OK with more outbreaks, then keep raw milk in the shadows like it is. You are never going to stamp it out, but you will succeed in creating a lot of animosity while trying.
    As for this outbreak, I’m already pulling out all the stops to get to the bottom of it.

  • Justice Plus

    ” Cheryl Mazmanian, the director and health officer said…It is a usual item to be served,… but tests have not defined the milk as the source of bacteria nor ruled out other foods ”
    Marler, do you know if the Health Department’s announcement was supposed to read, It is an unusual item to be served…?
    If, in fact, it reads correctly and raw milk is a usual item to be served at this very rural Wisconsin school picnic, (look it up on Google earth) I’m going to assume that the milk was not purchased by the school at all but was brought in by one of the dairy farm families straight from their own milk tank.
    This would not be considered uncommon at all in a dairy community. In fact it is very usual. Everyone drinks raw milk. The pregnant mothers, the elderly, the toddlers and all.
    No Minkpuppy, your fellow Americans of Wisconsin are not idiots and no it is not a country of idiots. And no Giselle they are not criminals either. They are just American dairy farmers doing what dairy farmers do… drinking raw milk.
    I’ll be watching to see if this actually turns out to be from the milk. We’ll all be looking for the follow-up report Bill.

  • I’m on it.

  • Food safety is becoming a joke in this country, what about School HACCP? Its required you know, ha, ha, ha.
    Its really “rancid in Racine”.
    I bet somebody will be suing somebody, though.
    They just don’t get it, do they?

  • Giselle

    I do not think and did not say that American dairy farmers are criminals. They are some of the hardest working people, with some of the hardest job that I know of. American dairy farmers keep me working because I process raw milk. However I am betting that the parents of these kids that are sick are wondering if the benefits of raw milk (if indeed it is the raw milk that made them sick) outweigh what they’re dealing with now. I bet every single parents would trade places with their kids if they could.

  • Minkpuppy

    Anyone that knowingly risks a child’s health and ignores the risks, farmer or not, is an idiot. Sorry if you don’t like it–It’s my opinion and I’m sticking to it. It’s sickening to me that so-called “adults” are putting their “rights” over the potential risk to a child who has no say in the matter.

    In fact, I’m downright ticked off over the whole “food fight” nonsense in general. The general public is so out of touch with agriculture it’s scary and Ag is so out of touch with the general public that it’s comical. I’ve been staying away from posting the last few weeks because all it does is stress me out and lord knows I’ve got enough stress already.

    The risks of raw milk far outweigh the alleged “benefits”. The whole idea of “magical foods” defies logic, science and reality. This whole discussion of “rights” to drink raw milk is asinine and dangerous. Go ahead and play russian roulette with your own life but leave the little kids, immunocompromised and the elderly out of it. The Constitution gives the federal government the right to protect the “public welfare” and collect funds to do so. It’s uncanny how that is conveniently ignored these days.

    My dad started out as a dairy farmer and he and my mother DID NOT feed us raw milk. Mom always did a home pastueurization on the stove before feeding it to kids. They knew and understood the risks and protected us from it. The farm kid may have some degree of immunity but city kids don’t. Even farm kids can still get sick. I’m a farm kid and have had several health problems that are probably linked to my exposure to live animals and zoonotic diseases like Campylobacter and Salmonella on the farm. Continued exposure in the meat plants doesn’t help any. I wasn’t tested for anything because docs didn’t do that back when I was a kid (and many still don’t). There’s no point to testing now that I’m an adult. It probably won’t show up now anyway unless it’s brucellosis or TB. I’ll only insist on it if I’m suffering symptoms of food poisoning.

    When I was in college,my dad sold off a herd of hogs that tested positive for salmonella and left his buildings and pens empty for several months after cleaning them out because he understood the risks to public health. He didn’t want anyone getting sick from his animals. He also didn’t buy any new animals until the environmental samples for Salmonella were clear. He was one of the rare ones that foresaw 20 years ago that eventually farmers are going to have to be held accountable for their practices when it comes to food safety. He just made sure he was ahead of the game. I’ve read accounts of dairy farmers on here that refuse to accept responsibility for a dirty product produced under dirty conditions and then cry foul when the health department shuts them down. Sorry, no sympathy here. Doesn’t jive with how I was raised to run a livestock operation.

    (And before anyone starts accusing him of being a “factory” farmer, I’ll have you know that our sows, boars, and gilts were on pasture non-stop or held in a gestation barn with access to an outside pen. The only time the females were crated was for a few weeks from farrowing to weaning, then they went back to the breeding pasture. Even a number of our feeder pigs were held in open pens with access to a barn, not in a closed confinement building. It was this exposure to the outdoors and the wild critters that probably contributed to the herd’s infection with Salmonella.)

    It’s past time for the livestock and produce industry to start paying attention to the “farm” part of the farm to fork equation. Too many farmers do not understand how their production practices could ultimately affect the public health. My father did and he taught us that as farmers producing FOOD, we have a responsibility to produce our livestock , produce and grains in such a way that they won’t make someone sick. That included the PROPER use of antibiotics and farm chemicals rather than the ridiculous over use of those items today. It also meant breeding animals that were stronger and healthier rather than relying on growth promotants and drugs to make them grow.

    The knowledge about animal production, animal diseases and their risks to humans that my dad and the other old farmers like him carry, has largely been ignored and forgotten in the name of “progress”. They are now considered old and useless and archaic. It’s a damn shame because we need more guys like them in farming today. Maybe there would be less “magical” thinking about certain “magical” foods that are trendy these days.

    I know this is somewhat offtrack but I had to vent.

  • Dog Doctor

    I think you hit the nail on the head. It is about farm practices and having good, knowledge and caring management of the farm. If the farmer takes the care you describe it doesn’t make any different if the farm is next store or 1,000 miles away. Back in the mid 80’s there was an article published that showed that management was the most effective and efficient issue on the farm, provided better results than antibiotics or BST.

  • dangermaus

    Mink, your statement that but “Anyone that knowingly risks a child’s health and ignores the risks, farmer or not, is an idiot” reflects an arrogant lack of respect for others. Maybe you meant to say the choice is idiotic… You must be aware, of course that everyone, including yourself, makes choices that at least some other people think are bad choices, and there is probably at least one lobbyist in Washington supporting laws to make those choices illegal, and punishable with prosecution.
    Phrasing things that way illustrates a lack of fundamental respect for others, and implies that peoples’ right to make decisions you don’t agree with is unimportant. That mentality is one of the root reasons that our local, state and federal governments seem to have fallen into the ineffectual, shrill disarray that it’s fallen into.
    It’s hard to think of something more personal than what one chooses to eat, and Jim Doyle’s veto of the law shows that he doesn’t respect people’s choices, even if he thinks they’re bad ones.

  • Minkpuppy

    Maus, I’ve bent over backwards on this forum trying to be respectful of people that have no respect for others and there’s plenty of them here. Mudd and his ilk should have been removed from here lonhg ago but I don’t see you scolding him when he’s said far worse than I and multiple times at that.
    Yes, I have no respect for anyone who risks the health and well-being of a child. Period. This isn’t about choices when the child has no choice and is subject to the desires and whims of the adults who are obligated to protect them. Public health programs exist to protect the helpless. I have that right-I’ve seen too many sick and injured kids and been blamed for it too many times when I did my job. Unfortunately, my job has my hands tied when the policy makers let companies get away with murder, Literally and let the inspectors take the fall.
    I agree my Bosses at FSIS are a mess- policies were made by people that refused to listen to those of us working in the trenches and now the whole country is suffering for it.
    I’m p@ssed off at the whole damn system and if I’m being disrespectful, I’m sorry. I’m sick of FSIS, sick of being told to do my job when I can’t because I’m not allowed to and sick of not having the proper tools to do the damn job. Unfortunately, the job market sucks so I’m stuck until our Congress decides we don’t need those pesky inspectors anyway. Forgive me for being a bit disgruntled when I’ve spent 17 yrs trying to do something good for society only to get constantly screwed.

  • Doc Mudd

    Hey, mink, I’ll thank you to leave my “ilk” out of this, if you please.
    dangermaus knows my feelings regenerate at twice the speed of a normal person’s, but my ilk, that’s a different matter…my ilk is sensitive, like a fragile flower, delicately unfurled in the golden morning sun, embued with the very essence of the American dream (and all that other soppy sentimental crap).
    Anyway, my ilk would LOVE to sell loads of fraudulent and unsafe products for big money to choosy folks with more money than brains. Damned regulations and ethics and conscience get in the way of freedom to reap maximum profit – my ilk frequently gets pissed off at me over that and it’s about all I can do to keep it in check.
    Don’t quit your day job, mink.

  • Everyone, take a big glass of pasteurized milk and chill.

  • Minkpuppy

    Chillin’ like a villian over here…this week has been a culmination of all crap hitting the fan at once down here and tolerance meter has broken. I have a strong desire for lots of very strong adult beverages laced with rum. Unfortunately, the fecal matter will still be hitting the rotating device when I wake up with the hangover tomorrow so I think I’ll just skip it.

    Sorry for spewing my venom here–I generally try to avoid it. Snarkiness on the other hand is something I often fail to control. I also forget to warn folks that even though the elusive Minkpuppys appear sweet and cuddly at first glance, they often have very sharp teeth that they’ll sink in your butt when crossed.

    I’ve often gotten frustrated with my job but I think this time it’s gotten to a new low. When I’m expected to write NR’s over missed initals I have to ask myself what the heck it has to do with food safety. Too much focus on paper (which is easily falsified) and not enough on the actual processes which is what I was trying to emphasize with my diatribe on production methods.

    Mudd–I apologize profusely to your ilk. I had forgotten how delicate it is *cough*. *choke*

    If Congress has their way, I won’t have a choice about quitting my day job. That combined with all the other “let the system work” mantras, has pushed this gal over the edge. My resume needs condensing into the real world version and I’m not up to it right now. Still, if the bosses are gonna continue to screw me and my fellow workmates, it would be nice if they bought us dinner and flowers first. ;-)

  • Mary McGonigle-Martin

    Please don’t forget that people foolish enough to give their children raw milk do so because they believe it is a better option than what is sitting on the grocery store shelves. Why they believe this what drives the raw milk movement. It is a travesty that so much misinformation is spread about the safety of raw milk, but it is out there and I don’t think there is any retrieving it back. I would like to see a movement to teach people how to pasteurize their own milk.
    When a person begins doing research on milk they will learn how the cows are raised in CAFO’s, fed GMO soy and corn, given low dose antibiotics and growth hormones, then it is ultra-pasteurized and homogenized. I think people are looking for “healthier milk” and some would also like to support their local farmer. For this group, pasteurization information gets mixed into the other information as to what is bad about processed milk.
    So does heating a particular food source put it in the processed category? We bake, broil, grill, stir-fry and steam other food and it is still considered healthy and unprocessed. Raw milk purchased from your local farmer, from a cow fed grass and not given antibiotics or hormones, boiled on the stove for a short period of time does not fall into the processed category.

  • Minkpuppy

    Mary- My issue is the folks that completely ignore and dismiss the risks even when they are given all the information. Their belief in the magical properties of raw milkoverrides everything and all common sense. They won’t change their tune until their kid gets sick or dies and then they scream that the government didn’t do enough to protect them from themselves.
    This is the bottom line: our food system is a behemoth that cannot be properly regulated or controlled anymore. Not by the federal, local or state goverments or by individuals. Food safety and food have become politicized and science and facts are ignored. Once political money and extreme beliefs enter the mix, we cannot accomplish anything meaningful to reduce FBI. FDA, USDA etc change leadership with every new president and the politics of the agencies follow.

  • Julia

    This was raw milk from a commercial dairy (unhealthy cows) intended for pasteurization and absolutely needing it, not raw milk from a grass-fed dairy (healthy cows). Don’t forget there are two kinds of raw milk.

  • Pamela, a Wisconsin Dairy Farmer

    I would like to chime in here as a Wisconsin Dairy Farmer, first off raw milk is fed to my whole family and the only time my children are sick is when they are eating away from home. I understand that people need to be educated in eating raw foods. These items DO NOT come from a box, wrapped in plastic and can sit on your table all night. When I have given raw milk to my family from Minneapolis, I tell them only drink in small amount because your stomach is NOT used to this great food. We had one nephew come and stay with us for the summer to help with field work and he liked it so much he kept drinking it by the glass-full. I warned him and he did get some stomach iritation. If your guts aren’t used to raw foods you will get some stomach issues, but if you condition your guts with probiotics, eating REAL yogurt, drinking kefir and kombucha, your stomach can handle it. It’s the people who live in a sterile, plastic bubble that need to wean themselves on to raw foods. Education is key.
    We enjoyed a family from town on a farm tour and when it came time to eat, we gave them a choice of water or home-made lemonade. We offered them a taste and they were glad to take it, but only small amount. People don’t understand that raw food will taste better than anything they’ve ever eaten and they will try to eat more! It’s like chocolate, if you eat too much – you will get sick!
    I am willing to jump through any hoops the USDA wants me to to be able to sell raw milk. I know several people that want raw milk and I can’t sell it to them because the news media reports are mostly false. Did we ever hear what the outbreak in Minnesota was? It WASN’T the milk, but they didn’t tell you on national television did they? I look at it this way, stores can sell cigarettes and beer and people have even died from these products, but they still sell them. And right on the package of cigarettes it says this product will cause cancer. People know the risk and they still buy them. If educated people want to buy raw products, I think they should be able to. If people don’t, I’m not going to shove my products down their throats. Could you imagine people living in a country with the right to choose?

  • Dennis from Wisconsin

    This is about right to choose, plain and simple. I drink raw milk, so do my kids. But I go to a farm that raises the cows right. They are pasture raised and not given steroids and drugs and the bad grains to eat. If you keep your cows healthy naturally and clean, it only follows that you will have healthy milk. If you do these things, there is no reason you should fear illness. I certainly am not going to expose my kids to an unknown or untrusted source of milk. But even if I did, that is my choice. Whoever brought the raw milk to the school party is the person responsible for its safety and if what that person did was negligent, then that person should face charges. It has no bearing on my rights. What did those poor people of the world do centuries ago before pasteurization “saved” them? Ah, how I love the protection of my benevolent socialist big brother!

    This topic is such a joke- as if I need permission from government to seek out a seller of milk. If you don’t want to drink it, don’t! But government can’t deny me the supply of raw milk. I wonder what our Founding Fathers would think of this crap today. Oh that’s right I’m pretty sure George Washington would have had a raw milk moustache. Why not ban raw meat next? I surely am not responsible enough to take it home and cook it properly, and may be tempted to eat it raw.

    The real reason “mooshiners” are persecuted is simply for control of the supply and pricing of the multi billion dollar dairy industry. The real reason is so they can sell “milk colored water” to us as milk, and use the real cream parts of the milk as cheese and butter. Basically store milk is a waste product they sell labelled as “milk”. Even in Wisconsin I would bet most people under 25 don’t even now what real milk looks like or tastes like. We certainly can’t expose them to a better product that being raw milk, because then they might not like our waste product store milk. Who knows what other lobbyist interests are at stake here. Isn’t milk the number one reason why people go to the store? If people buy milk from their local farmer or local trusted farmer’s market, that is one less trip to the store they will all make. One less forced march to the back of the store having to view all of the other items they have for sale. Hmmm, something rotten stinks here, and it isn’t the raw milk.