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         <title>D. L. Whitehead</title>
         <description><![CDATA[<p>Made on equipment that also processes peanuts/nuts...</p>

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         <title>Michele</title>
         <description><![CDATA[<p>Theoretical possibility that eggs were the vehicle (if not pasteurized)?</p>

<p>Variable colonization of chickens perorally inoculated with Escherichia coli O157:H7 and subsequent contamination of eggs</p>

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<p>Challenging 1-day-old White Leghorn chicks perorally with 2.6 x 10(1) to 2.6 x 10(5) Escherichia coli O157:H7 bacteria per chick resulted in cecal colonization at all levels. <br />
Eggs from five hens that were fecal shedders of E. coli O157:H7 until the termination of the study (10 to 11 months) were assayed for E. coli O157:H7. The organism was isolated from the shells of 14 of 101 (13.9%) eggs but not from the yolks and whites. Considering that chicks can be readily colonized by small populations of E. coli O157:H7 and continue to be long-term shedders, it is possible that chickens and hen eggs can serve as vehicles of this human pathogen.</p>]]></description>
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         <title>Bill Marler</title>
         <description><![CDATA[<p>From an Email from Robert:</p>

<p>You should drop the word "cow" from your title. You have currently no<br />
evidence to implicate cattle. It is much more likely to be birds (my<br />
guess) or rodents. E. coli O157:H7 does not arise solely from cattle,<br />
although from a bulk point of view, it is the most common source.</p>

<p>As far as quantity of foeces, my guess it is an amount measured in<br />
handfuls, not milligrams. Thus my guess that birds are involved.<br />
However, grain would attract rodents. I would be able to estimate<br />
better if I knew the mass of the product lots directly implicated in<br />
the outbreak. But if a "taste" (10 g?) were sufficient to deliver a<br />
100+ CFU dose, then contamination is at the 10 CFU/g level or higher,<br />
typical of an E. coli O157:H7 outbreak.</p>

<p>At the current time, when I am mostly ignorant of any details<br />
concerning the outbreak, I would conjecture that some bulk<br />
ingredient, such as flour or its grain, was exposed to long-term<br />
harborages of birds or rodents who routinely defecated into the lot.<br />
This would represent a long-term bad behavior on the part of some<br />
supplier (such as a flour producer or grain elevator) who had drifted<br />
into apathy concerning food wholesomeness. But this time the<br />
birds/rodents were E. coli O157:H7 carriers, and the hygiene so bad<br />
that a large-scale outbreak was generated. (Very similar to the<br />
peanut butter outbreaks.)</p>

<p>Is this the fault of the consumer who failed to distrust all foods?<br />
Or the unconscionable behavior of a supplier who lost all moral<br />
principles concerning food safety? Who should know better? The<br />
consumer or the supplier? A la NRA: "Food doesn't kill people, people do."</p>

<p>Outbreaks happen for causes, and the causes are typically crimes or<br />
moral lapses on the part of producers.<br />
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         <title>Sharon Knoll</title>
         <description><![CDATA[<p>Bill Marler is a well-known attorney focused on food issues - in light of our movie I thought you would be interested in this article.</p>]]></description>
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         <title>roy costa</title>
         <description><![CDATA[<p>We cannot rule out contaminated well water. We should be asking if any of the manufacturing facilities were on a well. There is some evidence for birds as vectors  (seagulls come to mind). Rodents could be transient vectors but I do not think we have much of a precedent for any true reservoir in rodents. We cannot also rule out a back up of sewage or a cross connection in some facility piping. Trucks hauling cattle and then hauling grain is another possibility</p>

<p>O157:H7 is getting wide dissemination in human populations, animals and water. But right now I am thinking water or sewage.</p>]]></description>
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         <title>DC Madman</title>
         <description><![CDATA[<p>I knew there was a reason to not eat raw cookie dough.</p>]]></description>
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         <title>Dean Hughson</title>
         <description><![CDATA[<p>No one uses unpasteurized eggs in commercial food operations so rule that out immediately.</p>]]></description>
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         <title>Janice Boase</title>
         <description><![CDATA[<p>It will be interesting to find out how the contamination actually occurred. </p>

<p>Certainly Nestle contracts with a variety of manufacturers for its ingredients and that those manufacturers are required to follow HAACP.  While it is possible that anyone of the ingredient manufacturers could have had a lapse in sanitation and Nestle as well, it could have nothing to do with them at all.  Ingredient(s) have become contaminated during transport.  There have been instances where tanker trucks have not been properly sanitized between uses.  If say raw milk was transported and then pastuerized eggs or milk, this would be how the (&*(*&()* gets into the cookie dough.</p>

<p>It's always something.</p>]]></description>
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         <title>Catherine  </title>
         <description><![CDATA[<p>It might still be the eggs.  Eggs come in shells, and shells, sorry to say, will have chicken doings on them, in Nature.  It only takes one instance of improper pasteurisation to cause a problem.  </p>

<p>to quote Calvin, of Calvin and Hobbes:</p>

<p>Another nostalgic part of childhood goes ptttthhhbbtttt.</p>

<p>Unfortunately in today's food supply there are a lot of vectors as to how something could become a problem....</p>]]></description>
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         <title>marymack</title>
         <description><![CDATA[<p>The problem is our Food Industry</p>

<p>Small farms who sell locally do not have these problems </p>

<p>Corporate Agriculture is the culprit<br />
Are YOU ready to take on BIG AGRA?</p>

<p>Go to the source. <br />
 <br />
CODEX Alimentarius is coming so grow your own food like your grandparents did or eat the garbage that is sold in most "super" markets.</p>]]></description>
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         <title>Bill Marler</title>
         <description><![CDATA[<p>A friend sent me this:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.nzfsa.govt.nz/publications/media-releases/2008/raw-ingredient-advice.htm" rel="nofollow"><a href="http://www.nzfsa.govt.nz/publications/media-releases/2008/raw-ingredient-advice.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.nzfsa.govt.nz/publications/media-releases/2008/raw-ingredient-advice.htm</a></a></p>

<p>I wonder if it might have been contaminated flour?</p>]]></description>
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         <title>Anthro</title>
         <description><![CDATA[<p>Whatever the culprit turns out to be, the message is: DON'T EAT RAW COOKIE DOUGH!  I don't do cookies anymore and if I did, I would make my own dough, not buy expensive pre-mixed stuff with lots more ingredients than my own recipe has.  I always used to eat the dough, and will remember not to in future, should I have a lapse in my healthy-eating plan!  </p>

<p>Also, don't we have to accept that nothing is perfect and that a small number of people WILL get sick from time to time? That does not imply that we should let our guard down or not try to do everything possible to prevent contamination, but if people would make more of their own food (it doesn't take long to mix up a batch of cookies, for heaven's sake) we would have fewer problems related to transportation and storage at least. If it's the flour in this case, then we must just stop eating the raw dough.</p>]]></description>
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         <description><![CDATA[<p>The flour (as noted above) by a few people, eggs (could have been contaminated after pasteurization somehow), the chocolate or possibly dairy ingredients come to mind. Water supply could have also been the culprit, as someone mentioned above. It seems very unlikely, but perhaps an ill employee was involved.  I know that at the retail food level, employees diagnosed with shiga-toxin E. coli infections (as well as other specific illnesses, including Hepatitis A) were not supposed to be at work.  If they weren't diagnosed, but had certain symptoms, their job duties were supposed to be extremely limited. Perhaps there was a breakdown in the employee health policy. </p>

<p>Are only semi-sweet chocolate chip cookies implicated in the illnesses?  Could other flavors such as peanut butter, oatmeal, sugar, double chocolate, white chocolate, etc. be involved?  Those varieties could point to other suspect ingredients.   </p>

<p>Sorry to go on and on.  Very interesting comments and this should be an interesting case. I hope that no one else becomes ill.</p>]]></description>
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         <title>Bobbie</title>
         <description><![CDATA[<p>As long as we mass produce animals (and yes, I mean "produce"), we will continue to see these problems. This is a basic of history - if you corral mass numbers of living things together, living in squaller, there will be disease. I'm guessing the viruses and bacteria just got sick of hanging out in the barn. At least they had the option leaving. Big Agri needs to go.</p>]]></description>
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         <title>Michele Keyes</title>
         <description><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if Nestle's added some beef suet into the cookie dough mix?</p>]]></description>
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