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  • Alan

    It’s appropriate that you use the term “battle lines” because this is an issue of individual freedom and conscience. The opposition’s motives are primarily control and profit posing as concern for safety. They have so much invested in pasteurization and ultra pasteurization that allows concentration of processing facilities (and marketing) and long distance shipping of product. If raw milk took off in the market place, there are millions of dollars to be lost and at stack. Don’t kid anyone; this is as much about money as anything.

  • I really can not imagine that mass produced milk producers really care. I have never been approached by one. For me in is all about consumer safety, and for me that translates into less money.

  • Jim Schmidt

    The Stupid has hit my home state.

  • Alan

    Bill,You are a very smart man. I’m sorry, I cannot believe that you do not understand the economics and threat to the industry.
    All you have to do is look at the organic movement. They originally were considered back to landers that were hardly an economic force. Now organics is a huge chunk of the food industry. If there’s any truth to what the raw milk people claim, it will eventually be huge as well. The large milk processors and middlemen cannot compete in that market because it’s a perishable item that cannot be shipped long distances or spend much time on the shelf.
    As far as Jim Schmidt, his statement reflects on him.

  • Jim Schmidt

    I’ll take all the scientific evidence and put it up against your non-existent evidence Alan. I support your uninformed option to drink raw milk however I do not support you in spouting of lies and untruths which convince others to drink raw milk and get sick. And when these people get sick I have to do the foodborne illness investigation spending taxpayers dollars which should never have been spent in the first place. Putting children who cannot make their own choice in the hospital because someone thinks raw milk will cure them of some bogus ailment.
    Critical thinking Alan, learn it, love, live it.

  • Alan

    Well Jim, you only have to look at something like global warming to realize you can pick whatever science your opinion dictates. There’s plenty of science to back up what I’m saying if you’d bother to take a look. Try reading the book “The Untold Story of Milk” By Ron Schmid (or in your case the unread story of milk).
    Do you realizie that anywhere from 500 to 1,000 people get sick from pasteurized milk? And that many cases are never reported because after all you can’t get sick on pastiurized milk can you? Yes I know many more people drink pasteurized than raw milk but I’m convinced that many cases of food illness that are “linked” to raw milk are by association and not cause and effect because the bias of the FDA and people like you are so strong against it.
    Don’t call me uniformed. I’ve read several books and articals on the subject. Oh and by the way, those are my tax dollars being wasted by the FDA (revolving door of the likes of Monsanto) on holding raw milk producers at gun point!

  • I can not speak for Jim, but I have read Ron’s book (and many others) including David Gumperts. I have also done my own research. Specifically, see links to Pros and Cons of raw milk here:
    http://www.marlerblog.com/legal-cases/raw-milk-a-potentially-risky-elixir/

  • Jim Schmidt

    Alan please compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges. The ratio of people getting sick from raw milk compared to pasteurized milk is a lot higher, Your argument that more people get sick from pasteurized milk is a strawmen, bogus argument. When people bring up this argument I know the person bringing it up is just looking for shock numbers. They have not done any critical thinking of what the numbers truly mean, you haven’t. Critical thinking Alan, critical thinking anyone can read the hard part is understanding.

  • Alan

    Critical thinking Jim? I’m sorry, I’m not impressed with yours. I would like to just disagree agreeably but when powerful people and industry try to to do my thinking for me and rob my freedom and the freedom of farmers, it’s very difficult to be pleasant.
    I hate to see the dairy industry publishing that milk is a dangerous fluid carrying pathogens, viruses, etc, that can kill you unless you cook it to death. They’re shooting themselves and dairy farmers in the foot with their arguments. Nobody wants to drink manure and disease organisms, cooked or not.
    My first interest in raw milk was farmer’s rights, the right to make a profit and get a descent price for their product. Raw milk is one way for that to happen. The dairymen that I’ve spoken to about raw milk had the choice of going raw or losing the farm. Now they’re doing very well thank you. Raw milk is about social justice to farmers as much as consumers.
    I wish you well. Keep drinking that ultrapastuerized bacteria and here’s to your health. I’ll keep drinking health giving probiatic real milk and strengthening my immune system. And may the best “critical thinking” prevail.